Archives for October 2007 Response to Google Banning Post

In my recent post, I asked “ Users Getting Banned?“  It seems that there is only about half truth to that statement.  Here’s the response that is in the comments of that post from the crew at

It’s just Google’s “too many links at once” automatic filter… When over 100 new links pointing to one page appear in several days, all with the same anchors (which is unnatural) – Google will likely notice you and the pages you were promoting may disappear from SERPs for 1 month (after that tey will return even higher). This automated filter is intended to keep you away from buying links, but it’s very easy to avoid the filter!

Your case doesn’t mean, that Google bans TNX buyers (there is no may Google can identify TNX links). It only means that there IS a risk when buying links without following our recommendations:

We just give you a convenient tool to place many of direct links, it is up to you to choose when to stop placing new links and how to make anchors look more natural (variety is the key), which links to delete.

Previously our advertisers didn’t have a generator to make anchors look natural. Until now! Just look at the new Step-2 of Creating campaign: you can now generate hundreds of different anchors with a click of a button.

We suggest that you now try to buy links following our recommendations and then publish a follow-up review. If you don’t do that – then… the main purpose of Google’s automated “too many links at once” filter – to scare you from buying link – is accomplished :)
Have you ever thought of WHY Google wants to scare you from buying links? Because it works great, when done with care, of course!”

You wrote: the reason behind it all is the super fast acquisition of links – indeed, it is.

So, the short answer is Yes, Google is banning users of  But it’s only temporary.  Given time, you should come out the other side smelling like a rose.  I’ve got two sites (with a third waiting on approval) that I have campaigns running for.  At the moment, I haven’t seen any of the problems with the Google filter.  One has over 300 links through the service so far and the other has about 180.  I haven’t seen any movement in the SERPs either up or down.

I guess in the end, it’ll be up to you whether you want to risk a month in the sandbox in exchange for a lot of extra links.  The sites I have in the program don’t have a whole lot of links just yet, so I think the reward will greatly outweigh the risk. Users Getting Banned?

Matt at Blogging Fingers claims that Google Bans TNX Link Buyers. And he presents a pretty good case for it. I think I’ll wait to see if anyone else has a similar issue before worrying too much.

If I had to guess, I would say that the reason behind it all is the super fast acquisition of links. It’s probably a pretty fair bet to say that a site that gains several hundred links in a matter of several days is buying links. It does happen with sites that get hit by Digg or some other similar site, but as a general rule, it’s link buying.

Part of this is an issue with TNX as well. Their system is set up with very little control over what sites your site gets links on. You get to pick a very generic category and then are at the mercy of the TNX engine to place links. And frankly, from experience, I’d say that engine is a first come first served sort of thing. The links are almost never truly relevant.

Take Blogging Fingers for instance. What category would you put it in? Probably something along the lines of SEO or Blogging, or Entrepreneur. There is a category for Marketing, Advertising, SEO, Web Development, Hosting. Pretty close match right? Well, that depends. Suppose you’re a marketer for bands. Yes, musical bands. There is a Software, Music category, but you’re a marketer, not a band. You put your site in the Marketing category. You then get links on sites like Blogging Fingers. Not even close to relevant.

Further, if you put it in the Software, Music category, you might get a few more relevant links, but you’ll also get links on MP3 sites, ringtone sites, and other digital music sites. If you’re looking for bands to market, those are probably not the places you want links.

Of course, if all you’re looking for is a little PR to trickle down to you, none of that matters. But if you’re looking for links that aren’t going to get you banned from Google, you’ll need to be very careful on where your links go and how quickly.

Win Prizes at the ShoeMoney 13k RSS Contest

If you are a subscriber of Shoe’s, you probably already know about the contest.  If not, get yourself on over to the 13,000 RSS Contest post to learn all about it.  There are prizes being given away each day and there are several ways to get involved and get your name in the hat.

Plus, you help Shoe beat down John Chow in the RSS competition that they are having.  It’s neck and neck at this point, so go give Shoe a subscriber or two. 😉

Also, I’ve donated a few prizes to the contest, so you might just end up with those.  The prizes I donated are a Text Link here on Thatedeguy and a 1 year premium link at  I also donated a 120×600 banner on the sidebar, but I don’t see it on the list.  It was on an earlier list, so I’m not sure if it’s still a prize or not.  In any case, there are plenty of prizes to go around and with 4 going a day, you need to get in early.

P.S. I’m waiting on this contest at ShoeMoney to finish up and get those prizes handed out, but then I might have something up my sleeve for a contest here.  Anyone want to donate to the prize and see how big we get? It’s probably not going to happen, but it would be fun to give away more than Shoe is.

5 Things You Can Learn From Infomercials

Kevin Trudeau on setWe’ve all seen them. Some of us have even tried a few of the products that they push. They’re infomercials. The most famous of the bunch are people like Kevin Trudeau and Matthew Lesko. Their products and name are synonymous with the infomercial industry. And their products are scams. We know it when we watch. Many know it even as they call and give out their credit card info to have the product sent out. So, if everyone knows that the product they are pushing is a scam, why do they still buy it? What do the likes of Kevin Trudeau and Matthew Lesko have that some of the less fortunate infomercial folks don’t? What can we learn from them to perform better at our own sales. (hopefully of a little less scam-like product)

  1. Pick your product wisely
  2. Kevin and Matthew didn’t just “pick” a product. They found a product that they knew was on the top of the minds of millions around the country. Kevin, the alternative medicine topic and Matthew, the get rich quick on other peoples money topic. Both are very popular topics. Just look at how many health related spams you get every day.

    Unless you plan on getting into a sub-niche of a sub-niche like 1947 mercury dimes, you need to pick a product that will be in a niche that you know something about. Knowing something about it is usually not enough. It also needs to be a niche that many people are interested in. The mating habits of the South African Gnat are probably not top of most peoples lists. But there are lots and lots of topics that are. You don’t need to, and probably shouldn’t, pick a niche that is extremely popular. Chances are there are affiliates and bloggers in that niche that are much better and more experienced at selling that niche than you are. Try to pick a product that has a fair amount of competition (shows it’s viability) but isn’t over used.

  3. Learn to sell
  4. It may sound simple, but selling can be one of the hardest things that you will ever do. Some people are born with a “gift of gab” and are able to talk people into buying things. Some people are naturally good at calling their customers to action. And some people would have a hard time selling food to a starving man. There is still a chance however. You can learn to sell. It won’t come easily and it won’t come quick, but you can do it. You simply have to put yourself to the task and dedicate a lot of time to getting it down. As you learn, you’ll notice that your sales will pick up. Eventually, your sales pitches will be glistening slick with that snake oil that Kevin Trudeau and Matthew Lesko sold you.

    Where do you learn to sell? That’s simple. You can take all the classes you want, but the most tried and true method is to observe your competitors (not copy) and learn by trial and error.

  5. Be convincing
  6. If you can’t convince people that what you’re selling is the be-all, end-all of widgets, you’re not going to sell it. You can have the best sales pitch and product in the world, but you won’t sell a one if you can’t convince your customers that they need that widget. Ever seen a kid with a Elmo? Take that Elmo away and see what happens. They need that Elmo. If they don’t get that Elmo, the world will end. Time will stand still and the sky will fall. You simply don’t understand how badly they need that Elmo.

    Your job as the salesman(person) for your product is to make your customers believe they need your widget. If you can do that, you’ll have success like the infomercial folks.

  7. Don’t back down
  8. If you buckle at the first sign of trouble, you’re not going to get anywhere. In fact, you’ll end up nowhere. That’s less than anywhere for those of you geographically challenged. And don’t bother looking up nowhere on Google maps. It’s like the black hole of wheres. If you’ve ever done a search on Kevin Trudeau, either researching one of his products or researching an article like the one I wrote earlier this month (Is Kevin Trudeau the Best Salesman of our Time?), one thing you’ll find is that Kevin has had more than his fair share of trouble. He’s been sued, banned, and slapped around by more acronyms than just about anyone else I know. He’s had the FCC, the FDA, and the DOC on him at one time or another. He’s had customers sue him. And guess what. You still see him on television doing infomercials. He doesn’t back down. And he’s a success because of it.

    When you run into a roadblock to your success, do what you have to to get by it. You may get some bumps and bruises, but that’s normal on the road to success.

  9. Build on a good thing
  10. If you have success, you cannot sit back and enjoy it. While you do, someone else will become better at selling a similar product and you will find yourself slipping. Kevin Trudeau had several products like the Mega Memory book/tapes, and some billiards thing, but the one that really did it for him was the “Natural Cures ‘They’ don’t want you to know about.” it went big. Bestseller big. Kevin knew he had something here. It was a huge success. And he built on it.

    Not only did Kevin build on it by releasing three more books in the “they don’t want you to know about” series (More Natural Cures, Weight Loss Cure, Debt Cures) but he also built a very profitable website around the health related ones and now has a newsletter for the debt cures book. He’s gone from a somewhat successful salesman selling memory books, to a mega salesman with a dynasty of products that will support him for the rest of his life.

    When you have a success, no matter how big or small, stop and find at least one way to build on it. Another way to get more traffic, another widget to sell with the first, an accessory for the widget, anything that will increase the profitability of your success.

You can apply those principles to just about anything. Affiliates, bloggers, auctioneers, and anyone else that has a product to sell. If you get good enough at them, you can become a top tier person in your field. Regardless of how good your product really is.

Kevin Trudeau found a product that was in a very “wanted” niche. He learned how to sell his product and became very good at convincing people that his product was the one they needed. When he ran into roadblocks in his way, he turned them into speed bumps. And when he found that product that was a success, he ran with it, making an empire out of it.

Not everyone will end up like Kevin Trudeau. Some of you will be liked. 😉 But everyone can be successful if they put the time and effort into learning how. Don’t go out and buy some silly book thinking that it will give you instant success. Only 1% of success is instant. Those are bad odds. Work for the other 99% of success that was worked for. It’ll feel better when you get there.